Kdss lean after lift. 5" of lean, that would drive me insane.

Kdss lean after lift tuc4r, Oct 8, 2018 #14. I don’t minedthe lean being so much on an uneven surface, but the 1/2” lean on a flat surface sometimes bothers me, even though Lexus says it okay. My final measurements were just Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum > Toyota 4Runner Forum > 5th gen T4Rs > KDSS lift advice User Tag List: Reply: Page 1 of 3: 1: 2: 3 > Thread Tools: Rate Thread: Display Modes: 05-03-2017, 11:48 PM I know there is the chance of the KDSS lean but I just need to install it and see what happens and then go from there. looks like a 2 inch lift. And what you say above makes sense because on passenger front (first corner we did during install) we loosened up a lot more stuff than necessary, lower arms included. Leverage your professional network, and get hired. Pictures don’t do this justice, but in person, it looks better and sits identical to a TRD Pro on my local dealer lot. Jtorral [OP] New Member. The dealer serivced KDSS before sale. Joined: Jan 11, 2017 Member: #3346 Messages: 24 Vehicle: 2016 Trail. I bought the OME trim spacer, and will be doing a BMC, which is then the perfect excuse to move up to 34" tires . Or. Installing a lift kit may result in the vehicle tilting towards the driver’s side (where the KDSS system is located) as it alters the suspension’s geometry and raises the position of the hydraulic piston within the cylinder. Based on the limitations of the KDSS system we recommend lifting KDSS equipped 4Runners a maximum of I also have the KDSS lean on the passenger side (3/4"-7/8") lower. As have a panhard correction kit used to make the panhard bar level and still had lean. The KDSS spacers that go on the bars are more about correcting overall geometry than directly addressing lean. imo My 2020 kdss averaged 14mpg's and my After Front L 520 R 555 Rear L 575 R 595 Here's the factory measure when I bought the car Front L R at 510 Rear L R at 550 Now my vehicle is 30mm higher at driver side, which is kinda unusual, as most of the KDSS lean is the opposite. Read more at ht Ever since my lift i have a 1. 1 , and when i sit on driver seat i saw it pushed my 4runner down pretty visible lean , after 2 weeks ( i do not drive a lot ) everything get normal , both sides ( driver + passenger ) i was getting 3. The typical KDSS lean after a lift is higher on the drivers side lower on the passenger. Please like a So after getting it back from Toyota, and fitting ABM 2" Lift Airbags it sits as this: (they performed the KDSS bleed method numerous times and could only manage this at best) In Neutral Height PSF: 810mm DSF: 825mm PSR: 810mm DSR: 825mm Other than the obvious 15mm lean, it all seems OK. I have the dreaded (KDSS?) lean after an ICON stage 7 lift install. I spoke with Dom as well - Sr KDSS himself to confirm. usually these are included when you buy the suspension lift for a KDSS runner) You may also need a spacer bar (treaty oak offroad sells these) to adjust some geometry and prevent a few suspension components from binding. Treaty Oak Offroad KDSS Spacers Installation Overview & Review for the 5th Gen 4runner. Lots of geometry to correct when lifting the kdss. But after lifting a KDSS equipped vehicle one can encounter a lean towards the passenger side which looks terrible and affects the ride quality. 5” lean after suspension/rear coil swap. Having literally cut one in half to understand it, I don’t know what what that something is Mine has about 1/4" lean after the lift, it isn't enough for me to bother with it. None of the KDSS tricks worked for me to re-level. This is after OME lift and I don't have KDSS either. Parked on slightly uneven or sloped surfaces I can see a 1 1/2” lean. to correct for a lean that usually happens with 2″ or more of lift on KDSS vehicles. There is a KDSS balancing procedure you should try, but we found it to only worked short term for the common KDSS lean. Down travel may be affected depending on how much lift you have on your KDSS system. r2m And I think they mentioned it had only been tested for lifted vehicles, not stock lean. If you do the bracket, the panhard is back where it should be. After some digging online I found that people solved it by adding spacers or trim packers. A KDSS-equipped 4runner or GX with extended travel shocks can encounter some issues after the installation of a lift. I am looking to put a lift on my 2015 4runner with KDSS. Gas tank was filled this afternoon, then driven 40 miles before getting home. They have no other recourse in the FSM, so that’s all they say. Well lift install went fine, no lean, and no lights. 5" of lean, that would drive me insane. Very pleased with it and it keeps the trucks a$$ from dancing around over whoops and bumps. 1) My 4x4 shop preferred method - open kdss valve method. 875 lift (Yes, I measured from the hub Joined: Oct 30, 2021 Member: #24036 Messages: 136 Gender: Female First Name: dita. After some research I see that going 2. 2017 Off-road Premium w KDSS, moon roof, sliding rear cargo deck,3" Toytech Boss lift, SPC upper control arms, Sonoran Steel High Articulation KDSS Trac/PanHard Bar, RCI sliders, RCI skid plates aluminum including gas tank, C4 Fab diff skid plate, SCS Ray 10 Wheels Matte Gray, 285/70R17 Hankook Dynapro AT2 RF11 E-load RWL, Cali Raised LED 3x2 Google 200 series KDSS lean and there is a video that shows how to do it. It seems like most places recommend adding small spacers to both passenger side shocks to help with lean, and that recommendation is there regardless whether you are also doing KDSS spacers or have threaded shock bodies that can be fine tuned for height. Some shops use-2) KDSS spacer (a very I have had an intermittent slight KDSS lean, however that is unrelated to UCAs and may now be corrected with a recent install of KDSS spacers in the rear. Would love some insight on the following: How much settling is expected? - I was shipped a 2. I noticed my '14 TE KDSS has a visible lean so tonight I measured. It's lifted, and it looks like stock shocks + higher springs in the front, Taller springs and 5100s in the back. "Acceptable" handling but a tad "twitchy" on I read that it’s a pretty common problem after installing a lift kit and that some kits (like dobinsons) even have rear passenger shock a bit longer than the driver one to correct the lean. Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum > Toyota 4Runner Forum > 5th gen T4Rs > Lean after lift question: User Tag List: Reply: Page 1 of 2: 1: 2 > Thread Tools: Rate Thread: Display Modes: 11-25-2017, 11:35 AM # The front of my 4Runner is no longer squished down and the lean is not noticeable. if the shop really screwed I'm just curious how to remove a lean after a lift is installed if the KDSS valves are seized and cannot be opened the requisite 3 turns? I understand why the valves should be opened when installing a lift/suspension. 5 inches)? Any issues on the Icon with KDSS lean? Ideally I'd like to fit something as close to a 34" AT as possible with minimal additional mods. In rare instances, trucks with KDSS can develop a lean after lifting, but yours doesn't have KDSS, so it's a non-issue for you. 2016 Trail with KDSS. I must be one of the lucky ones. It's so common that Dobinson sells a spacer Specifically for it. To reattached, passenger side first, drivers side last using a second ratchet strap to pull it towards rear pulling it back to LCA. When I was done with the install, and closed the shutter valves, I had about a 1” drop on the right side: I figure if this helps somebody, it was worth asking. After a certain amount of lift or down travel. KDSS lean is a red herring. The result is the KDSS cylinders tend to push down on the driver's side giving it a lean to the passenger You can also get the Total Chaos diff drop (TC-87200) kit. Lastly, because most aftermarket lift kits are designed for non-KDSS models, many owners find that their 4Runner leans to one side after installing a new lift. Lean after new shocks - KDSS? Thread starter AeroAggie; Start date Oct 3, 2021; This Lift, UCAs, Preload, Long Travel Front & Rear, Bumps, PCK, Adjusted Pan-Hard, EBC Stage 9 Brakes, SS Lines, Slee Skids & Cat Guards, G31 Upgrade, Slee Tray/Terminals, On-Board Air, Gen-Y Torsion Hitch, Pedal Commander, Redarc Liberty, Carplay, and 5W30 Till As recommended by other lift instructions I opened the KDSS shutter valves, this made sense to me because after the lift the piston for the front sway bar would have moved and high/low side hydraulic volume should be adjusted. KDSS is Installing lift on my 5th gen 4runner with KDSS. I went for Darren's autocraft premium Bilstein package with polyairs. The shop did open the KDSS valves when installing the kit so short of trying the block of wood trick I am not sure if I could improve it further beyond a coil spacer. But I also found that some people had success fixing the lean by installing Treaty Off-road KDSS spacers. It took me like 10 minutes total. NotaTRD, Dec 17, 2020 #16. Lean is an extremely common issue regardless of brand. I wanted the kit to help w/ the situation in the rear, and it works awesome for me -- excellent fit, includes the needed extended KDSS Lean After Modification. 5/2" lift kit that somehow morphed into a 3. A lot of people create a lean when putting a spacer on the driver's side with KDSS, making the passenger side really low. Member List; Forum; 150 Series Discussion (the 2010 Prado) Suspension (150 Series) I think Kyle told me the MRR gives you between 1. Member List; Forum; 150 Series Discussion (the 2010 Prado) Suspension (150 Series) If you are one who believes that your suspension works like a system, and want to get all the pieces of your suspension back into OEM angles after the lift because thats how the suspension was designed (i. Now the difference is less than . Worked well for me. I park in my garage which is perfectly level. The height of the wood should match the amount of lean you are experiencing. 5 deg. Since the beginning of time with SUVs and trucks, or vehicles with tall soft springs, there's been a tendency to lean over time. yota Truckee/Tahoe Vehicle: ‘16 Trail Premium Super White w/ KDSS Dobinsons lift and UCA, RCI sliders and front engine skid, H9 bulb swap, Sprint Booster, KnN air filter, Canvasback covers, Raingler cargo net, AVS Window Shade deflectors, Heritage Grill with raptor lights Summer Re: KDSS Lean The thing is, my lean is there ALL the time and does not vary like the LC200 users experience. New Kdss Lean After Lift jobs added daily. In the 6 years of working with my 2005 GX470 sport with kdss, 0 items / $ 0. 25/3. KDSS ‘fixes’ have all been tried, at best with only temporary success. 2016 GX460 Luxury w/ Driver Support and some mods. Front Struts. This could cause damage, but it also causes binding and loss of travel from your rear suspension. My kdss was leaning before my lift, and leaning the same amount after my lift -- I fixed it w/ slight adjustment to the shock. 10MM rear spacer I have a couple personal friends with 4Runners with KDSS lean and they refused to re calibrate their system and now they have like 2 inches of lean so I convinced them to bring it to the shop and it only took Springs, Shocks, Struts, OME. 79. Zero cargo inside truck. Total Oh, and KDSS vehicles don't lean to the driver's side hardly ever, they lean to the passenger side with the fixed sway bar mounts, so a lot that were chiming in probably don't have KDSS. Additionally, is a KDSS lean guaranteed to be present after a lift is installed or is it hit or miss? The lean is now corrected after swapping rear springs side-to-side. Kyle was a big help on the phone during the install, confirming that a new adjustable pan hard bar is not necessary for a 2” lift. It had around a 1. 2" lift in front with both sides on top clip, no lean. Both before and after the lift. Taco2Cruiser Crazy American Off Road. I did it and $650 later, still had the lean. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright It existed both before and after my lift. just lift the front the required amount for level. I got a ton of help installing my new lift from the community over the weekend but wanted to poll you guys one last time for all the important after lift stuff. (Updated with measurement pictures from same video of mine) Front driver - Front passenger - No noticeable lean before of after lift on my 2017. I would bet some people have actually caused a lean by messing with it. The lean was due to either a higher right rear at the coil spring or right side front coil over or the KDSS system. I found that on previous post thankfully before I did this. The only permanent fix was small spacers to raise up the passenger side. Do you have KDSS? Not sure if the 460 came with it but the lean is a common issue. Trail2016 New Member. 2016 4Runner Trail Premium w/KDSS Bilstein 6112 and 5160 with Bilstein rear coils. I have tried parking it in spots that are uneven to induce a lean to the other side with no effect. However, is there any other way to force the system to re-equalize somehow? Time? My truck is lifted with OME kit and has a noticeable lean. Update: I finally ordered a lift and realized I did not think of trim spacers in the original list above. Drove around the block with the KDSS valves 3 turns open then found a flat location to re-tighten the valves. I personally used 2 of the OME trim packers on the rear left. There are spacers to fix it. SPC UCA s, TRD Pro wheels, Shrockworks sliders, Nitto Ridge Grapplers 265/70/17 if your springs are the same coil diameter then you will If the lean tends to correct itself once the car is moving for a while its likely that the KDSS system is the cause of the problem. I can no longer see the lean with a naked eye. KDSS Balance and fixing a KDSS lean - Project 200 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. After lifting the suspension, the "KDSS lean" is infamous but easily solvable with shims from a number of vendors. I have a a 2" lift and the KDSS lean was, at times, very noticeable. On the 5th Gen 4Runner, there is a passenger side KDSS lean and it has to be accounted for somewhere (spacer or adjustment). At full droop, the rear suspension travel is limited by the sway bar contacting your track bar. Ok here’s the next part. Hope this helps. These things just have a lean. 25 which I'm happy with. Treaty Oak Offroad KDSS Spacer Kit that are utilized within the KDSS A step-by-step guide to balancing the KDSS system on a Toyota Landcruiser to fix a lean caused by the installation of aftermarket suspension. eimkeith makes a weld in one, and Dr. It's an OCD thing. Does the Icon give the ability to go a little higher (I think I read up to 3. Dec 17, 2020 at 11:31 AM #17 #17. My truck is lifted with OME kit and has a noticeable lean. The whole vehicle was an inch higher on the passenger side than on the driver's side. From what I've been reading, there doesn't seem to be any other way to get rid of the lean after a lift is installed besides opening the KDSS valves and allowing the system to equalize. I have a 2017 GX 460 Luxury with KDSS. The lean kept coming back. I had a significant KDSS lean when I got done. Everyone knows when you lift a kdss equipped 4r or gx, the sway bar system has to swing back towards the motor. 00. You have the 2″ option (GS59-700 My question is what should I be looking for in a lift since I have kdss, do I need spacers to minimize the lean since it seems to get much worse from what I am reading after lifting. i. The valves helped it settle just right after the lift. R 2. KDSS has a bolt-in one. Need to adjust the headlights and will play with the compressor at a later date. There’s a video where someone demonstrates fixing the KDSS lean by opening the shutter valves, rolling over a block of wood, and then closing the valves. If you bleed the kdss fluid you will have to pay toyota to repressureize your system. The passenger side was higher by 1/2" both front and back before the lift. A couple cases of KDSS valves failing from corrosion have been reported and that usually results in a dramatic lean. Discuss about the size of tires you want to run, weight you want to carry, the budget you are looking at. Jan 27, 2020 at 10:47 AM #15 #15. 5ish" up front and about an inch After the lift install, parking in the same garage, I get just under a 1/2” lean. I need some help fighting the leaning of the GX470. Thatbassguy, Nov 3, 2021 #22. KDSS equipped 4Runners can be lifted, however there are two common issues: KDSS lean and poor ride quality. If you have KDSS, they offer various coil options that account for the KDSS lean. KDSS Lean after install: Jasalvas: 5th gen T4Rs: 56: 12-17-2019 02:13 AM: Kdss Lift Install: cjdewese: So Cal: 1: 05-19-2018 03:03 PM: UCA install only w/KDSS - process? cheeser: 5th gen T4Rs: 2: Springs, Shocks, Struts, OME. The passenger side runs out of Also, I'm even further convinced that the common "drive onto a 4x4 KDSS 'fix'" bandaid is absolutely not the correct way to address things. I don't think it'll ever be perfect on all sides with KDSS anyways. 75 inches of lift and accommodates for KDSS lean. I put mine on the lift, turned the KDSS valves two full turns, installed the lift and then turned the KDSS valves back two turns before I lowered it. e. 4mm) spacer OK, still dealing with the lean. 2012 GX 460 2” lift and KDSS lean I recently had a local shop install a Dobinsons 2” lift kit with medium weight springs that I purchased from Kyle Fogel from Treaty Oak Offroad. If the valve is working right, and we assume it is, if the vehicle didn't have a lean before the lift, your lean after the lift is a function of spring length or bushing position, NOT an imbalance. So, for the owners out there looking for support, we’ve created a reference for the top aftermarket upgrades we’ve tested that will improve the performance of your KDSS-equipped rig. The adjustable panhard bar can still bind up on the kdss. I have installed $400 (parts only) spacer lift to $4200+ (parts only) ELKA lift for non KDSS 4Runners. Lifting your 4Runner increases ground clearance, room for larger tires and it just looks good. KDSS lean can happen with lift or without lift. 5" off on any given day it is not an issue. jester243 likes this. Used the ratchet strap on the KDSS at full suspension drupe. Had it before my lift and after my lift. Some guys with after-market suspension and lift upgrades have had the system completely depresserized ----and the car still leans. After adding the tough dog 45mm lift the lean was even more present, about 1. passenger side is higher] I can adjust ride height using the left height sensor, but it equally adjusts height for both How to fix kdss lean?Allow me to introduce myself briefly, Hi there, I go by the name of Delphi. As recommended by other lift instructions I opened the KDSS shutter valves, this made sense to me because after the lift the piston for the front sway bar would have moved and high/low side hydraulic volume should be adjusted. Some trucks will end up with 1-1. If the lean is too much to your taste there are multiple solutions shops use. lean, resetting sway bar, less stress on sway bar bushings, etc), even if its a small improvement by itself, they do add up to improving Which technically is in spec according to that TSB for Lexus which said . Before the lift it was already 1/2" higher so no big surprise that it was worse after the lift. Fine if adjustments need higher to clear. But there are enough reports of sudden significant lean that is fixed by KDSS valve replacement that clearly something is going on with severely rusted units. Not sure how replacing shocks could bring this issue up but just asking. 3 deg. 5” lean, passenger side high. 2015 'premium package' GX460 Victory Blitz Front Bumper, Expedition One Sliders - Post lift, OEM arms, after alignment L 2. It likely has nothing to do with KDSS, unless someone lifted their vehicle without following reset procedures. . 5 - 3" is max. '08 GX470 with KDSS OEM air shocks, 0 lift [have to have it, since I tow] BILSTEIN B6 4600 ~=1. I looked into kdss spacers but figured since my lift was so slight, roughly 1. NOT True - _____ 2015 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro "Marsha" - Gobi rack, Shrockwork sliders, Toytec 2" lift, Tepui RTT & @DrewMan when i first installed ironman 4x4 , yes it did lean down , i got passenger side 4 inch lift and driver side 3. The more lift you have, the less travel you have on the rear suspension. Whatever you do just dont go more than 3 turns on the kdss actuator valve screws otherwise you will bleed the system of fluid. Joined Apr 2, Most “KDSS lean” especially after a lift is actually just a spring or bushing issue. Just stumbled across this writeup and figured I would share. Apologies if this has been posted previously. Even preload on KDSS runners. 5" lean to the left [i. If it persists may be there is an issue with lift kit. 150PR10. 25 and 2. 2016 GX460 - Stock at the moment 1996 80 Series - Sold 2008 200 Series - Sold 2007 GX470 - Sold 1995 80 series - Sold. I think there is info on the Dobinsons site regarding kdss, a spacer, the need for it, and spring length as well as the angle of the rear sway bar. If your . 4″ Rear Lift Lean Correcting Trim Spacer for Toyota FJ Cruiser and 4Runner 2003-2024. My problem is that I bought the truck this way, so I have no idea what the previous owner did. I think the lift exaggerates the angle of the panhard and even "pulls down" the driver side since after lifting we are asking the same short bar to keep the axle in line. If you’re lifted, and have wheeled, you have undoubtedly encountered some kdss lean. That's why I usually recommend people KDSS Balancing - Correcting lean after lift . Talk to a shop like Toytec or RSG Offroad they knows how to lift KDSS without KDSS lean or any other issues. I would like to level my 2018 ORP with KDSS using the stock rear height as a reference. I think the panhard correction bracket plus the spacers go a long way to correcting geometry with KDSS. JBS4X4: 03-09-2017 09:25 PM: Has anyone tried this at all? Just curious since I'll be lifting my rig soon I did have the KDSS lean after the install of my lift, but was able to resolve it. 1 , i talked to Iron Man and they send me second Also this will help on the down travel so KDSS 4Runners will also have down travel as the non KDSS 4Runners after lift. I went bolt-in. But they didn't give me any guff and the tech bled the KDSS system and re-pressurized it. I am in the minority that dislikes kdss after having owned it for three years. Update (adding pic to show this problem) - Last There is really no reason to open it. 25” low on the Rear driver side and about 1/2” difference at the front. Additionally, incorrect adjustment or insufficient tightening of sway bars can Today's top 0 Kdss Lean After Lift jobs in United States. captrussia253 and Foster1 [QUOTED Description OME 0. Not the manufacturers fault. I also have a slight rub on the body mount on the passenger side as well. I can be of service in providing you with answers to your in Short version is that KDSS cylinders are pressurized and asymmetrical in force up/down the system is asymmetrical left/right. How Toyota 4Runner 2020 with KDSS rear Spring Lift install Explain IronMan4x4 America Stage 1 Lift. I went to my local off road shop and they quoted me $8k which seemed very excessive from what I see that range of lift for online. Tried every KDSS procescure to level the lean without any success. There is a clear difference in road manners when it comes to driving a KDSS equipped 4Runner versus a non-KDSS model. Corrected with a rear “Toyota lean” (. The dealer mentioned there was evidence of a small weap on the front KDSS ram, and recommended a re-pressue. That is a KDSS lean. '16 TEP. After watching several “how it works” videos (including one for adjusting an acquired lean with the KDSS suspension using a wrench an a couple of 2x4s), and without having actually crawled under my rig and traced the The typical KDSS lean after a lift is higher on the drivers side lower on the passenger. With the spacer installed, I will still be about a KDSS lean can happen with lift or without lift. Experiment #1: Compress the KDSS pistons. If your doing any aftermarket lift go non kdss and enjoy not carrying all the kdss weight and most likely lean and get very similar handling. Took it for a drive, the lean was noticeable, and I was really annoyed. Ecotechne roof rack, BFG 285’s on Method BL's, Dobinsons 3”/2" lift, MT sliders, slimline front bumper Smittybilt winch, Expedition One rear bumper I Had similar issue with lean after lift and while suspecting a KDSS issue, it went to the dealer for diagnosis. I ended up adding trim packers (20mm) to try get things level but things were still 3/4” off. I’ve had it on every 4Runner with or without kdss as well as the gx470 I had built. That pro It’s such a common question that someone with a Toyota 4Runner, Prado or Landcruiser and Lexus GX470 or GX460 asks all the time, so I made a quick video to show visually what KDSS is, how to recognize it, and where the valve block is that may need to be opened when doing a suspension install, or for helping to level a vehicle after a suspension Looking to accomplish around a 2” lift or just enough to clear the 285/70s without having to BMC. zsq oftq ncrdn qkp wvrbqop oswyu ycrzgfq cwrj ifeh mij fzge rnsety byqkp qpmivc kcjsyw